Telyatnikov Sergey Veniaminovich Biography

That everything is not in vain. Not even that not in vain. So we helped someone-we did the job. So it turns out. Anya, tell me, you talked with all the prisoners. That is, you did not choose any specific categories? You talked with everyone. And, of course, you talked with the so -called representatives of the criminal world. And you are better than many of us about the existence of informal rules, about life and that employees of the pre-trial detention center have often or not often, but still agree and reckon with the influence of representatives of the criminal world in jail.

And there is a so -called prison subculture. How do you feel about this? Are there any positive points in this? It seems to me that all the positive points that the prison subculture carry are associated with negative points in the organization of the service of correction of punishments. If it were possible to organize normal life, if it were possible to organize normal communication with loved ones, medical care, food, providing newly arrived, then all these “bright” sides of the subculture - they would not be needed.

This is what the system employees themselves should provide. There is nothing good in the criminal prison world: for money - illegal connections, illegal calls, cigarettes, tea and everything else. And all this, of course, drives the prisoners in Babal. Therefore, I do not really like such romantication. But, I repeat, this all comes from the shortcomings in the organization of the FSIN system itself.

Well, then explain why the system cannot work by law and provide the prisoner with everything necessary so that they do not fall this dependence on forensicity? Well, firstly, the law allows very little. It does not allow the possibility of normal protection in its criminal case and normal household life, normal security in prison. The prohibitions are completely idiotic.

It is allowed, in principle, very little. And secondly, even this duty-to give a little-is not observed. This is due to the poor security, and the poor organization of the service, and with the rash of the employees themselves, with their indifference, with the fact that they are not oriented that the person is not even comfortable, but simply-so that he leads some kind of human existence in the investigative insulator.

Anna, in prisons at all times there were and are the so -called “political” - people who sat for their beliefs, according to political articles. Now for more than a year, as a special military operation has begun, a lot of new political articles have appeared in the Russian Criminal Code and, accordingly, there are more political prisoners. These are well-known prisoners of the type of Ilya Yashin was recognized as a “foreign agent”, Vladimir Kara-Murza was also recognized as a “foreign agent”, and unknown people who were convicted of fakes.

Tell me, how are ordinary prisoners usually relate to political prisoners? We know something approximately, but we have never seen how this happens inside. What relations between ordinary prisoners and political are developing? And I would not say that these political prisoners have always been. I remember how once long, when we were in the public observation commission, the first such famous prisoners appeared.

These were defendants in the “Sixth of May”. And it was a novelty then the system. He looked at all this and then provided the children with more or less human conditions of existence. We saw this then, and they themselves talk about it now. And now, when the flurry went, entire crowds of political prisoners, sometimes the administration does not even understand that it was political prisoners.

As a rule, employees are neutral to political prisoners. Especially when there are really so many of them - hundreds. Nothing bad to you specifically because you are a political prisoner in Moscow, most likely, they will not do. This is not a colony in which Alexei Navalny is located. There is no such thing. How do other prisoners relate? As a rule, it depends on a person and his ability to communicate, on his fighting qualities, on his stoicism.

I do not have such a gradation that if you are a political prisoner, you will be treated with this and so. I had completely different examples before my eyes. Returning to the employees of the pre -trial detention center, I had the only episode in my practice when the administration literally in front of our eyes exerted pressure on the political prisoner. The person was clearly on the behalf of the investigation blackmail, we had to beat him off.

Almost to melee with other employees did not reach. When the new arrived enters the camera, his other prisoners ask: “What is your article? And people begin to ask him. And Ilya just writes that in general everything is quite normal about him. There is no antagonism. No, of course, of course not. And the cellmates carefully cared about the sick Alexei Gorinov.

And more or less even relations with cellmates were established by Mikhail Krieger. Indeed, people are sometimes amazed: “Why did you put you?In the cell, it is not customary to come to some conflict, to escort this conflict. And now Alexei Gorinov had the children-mummers of different views and beliefs. I have a question about the former head physician of "sailor silence" Alexander Kravchenko.

Now in Moscow there is a court of him, he is accused, if I do not confuse, of abuse of power. In fact, that he freed seriously ill prisoners not for medical reasons, but for money. This is a rather strange story, because I remember from the experience of working in the ONK that prison doctors just very rarely agree to free the sick prisoners. You, Anna, just contributed to the liberation of many seriously ill patients.

What did the Kravchenko doctor not please the system? After all, usually doctors have always been untouchable in the system. Kravchenko, of course, would not name the political prisoner. These are precisely the internal such systemic intrigues. I don’t even think that there was some kind of special order for him. But he was always distinguished by a rather independent character, not even how independent - he was in uniform, and he executed orders, but at the same time he allowed himself to have and express his opinion on all issues.

He was quite sarcastic, he was quite erudite and witty. There were several denunciations that were written on him, as far as I know, from the doctor who worked, and some completely-we saw them-idiotic denunciations in which there was no common sense and logic. But on him, as I understand it, wrote, the head of the tuberculous pulmonary department of the hospital. And all this is together.

And most importantly, the irritation that Kravchenko caused UFSB, as I understand it, later, then because of this independent behavior and led to the initiation of the FSB of a criminal case. I will not say that he did something exclusively so humanistic, but he did his job. He was not a humanist. But if he saw that yes, a person is really sick and a person is really subject to release, then I will make a reservation, if there were no other instructions on this person very significant, then Kravchenko made efforts to observe the law.

I see it like that. Anya, you wrote the book “Route”, in which you talked about your experience in human rights work as part of the Moscow PMC. This book, in fact, became a bestseller in Moscow prisons. In an interview, you said that the book was eventually withdrawn from prison libraries. Will you write the second - already about the experience inside the system? What is it important to tell about now?

I don’t know if it can be interesting to someone, because the book that has already been written is known only in prison, and in the wild it has no popularity. Yes, in the wild there was practically no, because I gave the whole circulation to the libraries in jail, and then he was seized and destroyed, apparently. There is something in the colonies. Sometimes they call me from the colonies, write, tell me that the book is transmitted from hand to hand.

But I don’t even know what to offer and write new, because the whole country is moving in the direction of closedness and generally in a monstrous direction. Therefore, it is probably pointless to offer something in the field of prison reform. Until the country changes, the system will not change either. It cannot be that it has changed separately from the country. So I don't know.

Yes, but you have received a completely unique experience. For six years have you worked in the FSIN? I don’t even know how you can call you - my own among strangers, a stranger among their own. You probably have a lot of memories.